Visiting an Israeli gun shop

In the United States I’ve found there is a general misunderstanding of Israeli gun laws.  Many of you have probably seen the picture of what appears to be a teacher standing guard over her class of school children carrying a M1 Carbine.  This image has been circulated on the Internet as evidence that most everyone can carry a firearm in Israel for self defense, including school teachers.  Today I found out the truth about gun laws in Israel and learned the woman in the picture is most likely not a school teacher or even a regular Israeli citizen.

Israeli woman armed with M1 Carbine.

Israeli woman armed with M1 Carbine.

After spending an incredible day at the range with the guys from IWI shooting everything from the Negev LMG to the X95 and Uzi Pro firearms we decided to head over to a gun shop to get more information on the gun laws.

When walking in the scene seemed all too familiar.  Behind the counter was a friendly gentleman that welcomed us with a warm smile and greeting.  There were several employee’s around him and they all look towards us and offered a friendly smile as well.   I felt right at home.

The shop is named L.H.B and it sits in the bustling metropolitan area of Tel Aviv.  By American standards the shop would be considered small, but in Israel it is considered to be one of the largest.  The walls were covered mostly with accessories and items that would be useful to any shooter or person interested in self defense but the number of guns were relatively modest.  A display case featured mostly Sig Sauer handguns with a single M&P 9mm and a selection of domestically produced Jericho 941 pistols.  A single IWI X95 rifle was on display and a single Micro Uzi sub-machine gun.  Both firearms were select-fire.

I asked a gentleman named Yariv who works at L.H.B if he could explain in detail what the Israeli laws were like.  Here’s what I learned.

Israeli version of the U.S. 4473 form.

Israeli version of the U.S. 4473 form.

To own a handgun you must get a permit.  This process is quite painful and would make NFA owners in the U.S. shake their heads in disbelief.  To begin the applicant must fill out a form that resembles a 4473 form.  They are asked a series of questions that in most cases aren’t too dissimilar to those asked on our 4473 form.  The questions for the prospective buyer are on the right side of the form.  On the left there are questions your family doctor must also answer by checking off the provided boxes on the questionnaire.

The doctor will have to certify you aren’t mentally ill or taking medication for any type of mental disorder.  The doctor will also have to certify you’re not suffering from epilepsy, stroke, heart problems and have not recently lost consciousness.  They will also certify that you’re not in need of a psych eval.  Wow.  But it doesn’t stop there.

You will also have to prove you have a need for owning a handgun.  Things like living in a border town or being employed as a security guard may be enough to get you that permit but there’s no guarantee.   This is the most challenging obstacle in an Israelis path to gun ownership as there are only about 160,000 permits in Israel total.  This includes all handguns, the very few rifles, shotguns and even air guns in circulation.  Yes, air guns.  It’s also interesting to note there are roughly 48,000 handguns on the civilian market in total.  Not all permit holders own firearms which is why there’s such a large discrepancy between the number of permits and the number of handguns owned.

Another requirement is that you must get instruction in the specific make and model of firearm by taking a sanctioned course.

So let’s say you navigate the maze above and are approved for a pistol.  You can only buy (1) handgun, period.  There was a time you could own as many as eight handguns but that number has been reduced to just one over time.  If you bought your handguns before the reduction in the number you could own took place, you can still keep them.  Rifles are nearly impossible to get as a civilan.  The government thinks rifles are more dangerous and thus rarely gives its approval for people to buy them.

Inside the L.H.B gun shop.

Inside the L.H.B gun shop.

Now with your new pistol permit in hand you head over to L.H.B to buy your one and only handgun you’re allotted for life and ask to buy the M&P 9mm.  You’ll find that the handgun will set you back a cool 3,940 Shekels or about $1,100.  Such high prices aren’t reserved for the U.S. made guns, even the domestically produced Jericho is far more expensive than those sold on the U.S. market.

For most Israeli’s owning a defensive firearm is nearly impossible.  Weapons such as pepper spray can be purchased but that’s about it.  There are also fairly heavy restrictions on the knives Israeli’s can carry.

With only about 30 gun shops in the entire country and with the heavy restrictions on what may be owned, the belief that Israel is a “gun culture” really isn’t true.  At one time they tell me L.H.B was a thriving business with people filling the store on weekday afternoons, but today we found it vacant except for our entourage and the employees working there.  My visit was a reminder of why we must remain vigilant in the defense of our 2nd Amendment rights.

MAC

MAC is an avid shooter, former MCSF Marine, Armed Citizens United board member, NRA member, Oath Keeper and is commissioned as a Colonel by the Governor of Kentucky. Known for his videos on the Military Arms Channel, he also writes for The Bang Switch, for Shotgun News (Be Ready!) and freelances for Guns & Ammo. MAC has been a life long shooter who has an interest in all things that go "bang" but gravitates towards military type firearms.

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  • dcviper

    Holy Crap! They actually have ammo!

  • http://www.2atacticalgear.com 2atacticalgear

    Awesome … I love the pic of the women carrying the M1 Carbine!

    • http://www.afss.co.il Lior

      The woman with the M1 Carbine is a parent escorting a group of children, most possibley including her own, on a trip.
      Armed escort is requires when visiting certain places named by the Ministry of Education.
      The rifle belongs to the Civil Guard of the police and taken from there.

  • Pete

    I have to wonder how much the semi-constant conflict in the area plays a part in the gun control stuff.

    Do ex-IDF members not get a little help in a defensive firearm?

    • Lew

      Because of more or less universal conscription, everyone is an IDF member or ex-member ^^

    • Brian O.

      Almost all Israeli’s are ex-IDF with the exception of the ultra religious who think they are better than everyone else. You can spot them by their stupid haircuts.

      • Allen Berks

        I live here and know that there are ultra religious who do go to the army – they don’t have stupid haircuts and humility is ingrained into the culture being ranked and prized and an all important virtue – Mutual Respect All Round Please – Thank You

        • Amram

          with the exception of Nahal Haredi !

    • http://www.afss.co.il Lior

      Only high rank officers, Lt. Colonel and above, are entitled to get a gun permit.

      • Amram

        As I recall, all IDF officers are _required_ to carry a handgun.

        • Evgeny

          It was once true. Not anymore.

    • Pini

      No, most ex-IDF members cannot won a firearm as civilians. Mostly only officers (captain or higher) can get some help with it, and even for them it is very restrictive.

    • John

      As just about everyone is ‘former’ (some people take ex as implying they were dis-hon-ed) not really. in fact, if you don’t return your rifle at the end of your service or lose it at any time, you face a 7 year prison sentence

  • Ray

    So the lady with the M1 carbine, and the other pictures we have all seen of what appears to be regular citizens with M1′s and AR’s are soldiers?
    don’t all “able” citizens have to serve in the military there?

    • admin

      If you see what appears to be a civilian with a rifle, chances are it’s an off duty Soldier wearing civilian clothes. Soldiers can take their weapons home with them, walk around with them and generally carry them even if they’re not in uniform. All males and females must serve in the military when they turn 18, the only exception are some Jews which don’t have to serve because of religious beliefs.

      • Krater

        Arabs also do not have to serve.

      • EricT4x4

        Tim bring me back an IWI hat!!

      • Israeli

        While that’s generally true, in this case the woman is not a soldier. If an off duty soldier carries his/her weapon while out of uniform (that’s rare) it would be an army issued weapon and not an M1 carbine. In this case the woman is most likely the mother of one of the children. The children are on a field trip, and on field trips children are normally accompanied by armed chaperones, usually the parents of some of the kids, very rarely a teacher will be armed. The parents who volunteer for the duty go to a 1-2 day training/safety refresher course, then receive a weapon, usually an M1 carbine, from the civil guard, and after the trip ends they return the weapon.

        • admin

          @ Israeli,

          Thank you for this additional info.

      • David

        If she isn’t a teacher she is an “armed medic”.. They are recently discharged from the army, and provide security for tourist groups, and school groups. They are usually hired out through the travel company your tour group uses.

    • Amram

      If you see a civilian with an M1 (or in my day, an Uzi) it’s likely that it’s a temporary issue (by the INP — Israel National Police) for the purpose being an armed escort with a school group or a tour group. I know becasue am former Mishteret Yisrael (INP). OR the lady with the M1 could conceiveably been issued the M1 by the Civil Guard (civilian non-uniformed volunteers). Is this all too “inside baseball?)

  • http://www.godgunspolitics.com DR1579

    Its important to remember when thinking about Israel that they are a socialist society much like most or all of western Europe. They have very burdensome taxes and expansive social programs including I believe cradle to grave healthcare.

    It shouldn’t be surprising to find that they are just as restrictive as Europe is when it comes to firearms.

    • General Lee

      Well, the Zionists who first came back to Israel were communists from eastern Europe so Israel was founded on socialist ideals (like the Kibbutz). But just like any other country that knows what’s good for them, we turned capitalist. We have our capitalist Bibi to thank for, not following Greece and Spain. Every healthy minded person knows exactly where socialism will take you and what capitalism will make out of you and I think most of us prefer to be a state of entrepreneurs over a welfare state.

      • http://www.godgunspolitics.com DR1579

        No doubt!
        However Israel remains a more Canadian style socialist/capitalist nation more than a traditional capitalist one. And to be fair of late America has been too haha.

        shabbat shalom

  • Gideon

    You guys have it easy. I am from South Africa. Obtaining a licence here is just as hard (the more you do it, the more bearable it gets). If you are not a registered dedicated sport shooter/hunter, you are only allowed 4 firearms in total, of which one my be a pistol OR shotgun. Firstly you need to do a competency test for the type of firearm you want to posses. That includes a theory exam and also a practical shooting test. After that you need to apply for competency at the central firearm register. Then you go buy the firearm, fill in about 18 pages of legislation, and write your motivation why you need/want the firearm. Then you apply for the licence and hope/pray/wish it gets approved. Also, firearms are super expensive in relation to the US. I bought a Glock 17 gen 4 in February…I am still waiting for approval. I may never own it, a firearm I payed for already. But I love firearms and will go through the process over and over and over for the love of hunting/practical shooting. Maybe one day I shall have the R32000 ($3500) to own a TAVOR, yet get a licence for it…

    • Z0mb3hHunt3r

      I was almost certain that in South Africa you could only own firearms that are not chambered in current service Cartridges? From my research that is why they make Glock pistols chambered in .380 ACP.

      • Gideon

        Nope. Any caliber is fine, as long as you can motivate why you need/want it. 9mm and 45 ACP is probably the most common handgun calibers in South Africa. Where did get your info? Hopefully not from a site also claiming that we have lions for pets and that we have to chase elephants of the runway before planes can land.

  • http://www.frontsight.com Jon Landwer

    Thank you for taking the time to post, and for your awesome informative channel. That was very disheartening to learn that they can only own one handgun, and virtually no long guns. I like many other was under the wrong impression about their culture and the self defense ideology, thinking they were armed up tight like the Swiss. The specialized military units are very aggressive in training and counter terrorism, as they win or place near the top each year at Urban Shield, the largest SWAT competition in the world. I wonder when the decline of arms ownership was and where the All Israelis are armed propaganda comes from?

    Thank you again for your channel and informative reviews.

  • Victor

    One would think that the politicians of Israel would remember the harsh and painful lessons learned by their ancestors who were massacred in extermination camps. A defenseless population is an easy prey to a dictatorship.

    • http://gravatar.com/acsial Adam

      I recall reading about a Palestinian who visited the home he had to flee in 1948, in what is now Israel, finding a Sephardi (Iraqi) Jew living there. When he told the new inhabitant that this was his house, the man replied to the effect, “you can have my old house in Iraq–the Iraqi Arabs kicked ME out of my home, too.” A lot of terrible things happened to Jewry, even before the Holocaust, but–for a variety of reasons–a police state, even borrowing features of Imperial Russia, European fascist countries, and neighboring Ba’athists states is actually highly functional and logical, in terms of national security and civil order. Israel has sharply circumscribed civil rights, a nasty state security apparatus, and the less than stellar human rights situation in the occupied territories, and Israel’s treatment of its major donor and ‘ally,’ America (USS Liberty, spying) is truly appalling. State security also includes denying most ordinary civilians the right to any weapons, so that they don’t either attack the state or each other: numerous Palestinian terrorist incidents, Yitzhak Rabin assasination, Haredi violence against secular Jews and Palestinians, etc.

  • http://doubletapper.blogspot.com DoubleTapper

    you forgot to mention that ambulance drivers, volunteer auxiliary police (currently over 60,000 of them) Diamond Dealers, School Teachers, Currency Exchange employees, are all fast tracked and given permits. All IDF Reserve officers and NCO’s are given carry permits too.

    If you see someone in Israel with a rifle, it’s either been issued to a school by the police for field trips (all must have an armed escort, usually a parent who has current rifle certification), off duty IDF, Civilian with a Rifle Permit, or IDF Reservist that has been assigned a weapon to keep in order protect their community from terrorists (CERT).

    lot’s more on guns in Israel at http://DoubleTapper.blogspot.com

  • http://www.thebangswitch.com/?p=221 Andrew

    My question is how big of an arsenal does there government posses? If there was to be all out war there you would think they have something in place to get the people some weapons to defend themselves. Everyone there 18 and over have to serve a 2 year stent in the Israeli military.

  • Charles

    Stunned! I for one had always thought that this Jewish nation was a nation of self defense. Had to read ” one and only handgun for life” a few times to make sure it wasn’t a typo. Incredible!

  • Geo

    Thats it, I am moving it Israel, they have ammo! haha thanks for the pics, its amazing to see inside another countries gun shop

  • Razor Ramon

    Look at all the Ballistol! Hickok45 vids from Israel in the not too distant future?

  • K-Twigg

    What a insight into Israeli gun laws. Here in Australia our laws are harsh but not nearly as much as Israel.

  • Chris Hauser

    Funny how different societies prioritize things. In the USA a suppressor is regulated at the federal level (paperwork, tax stamp, background check & long wait) and banned in some states. In UK a suppressor is not as regulated and thought to be a polite thing in regards to noise pollution.
    In Switzerland select fire rifles are common in civilian homes, in the US again huge paper trail, very long wait, tax stamp and background check. No newly manufactured full autos are allowed in the civilian market since 1986 so the availability is fixed. Some states ban full auto in civilian hands.
    Long guns are rare for civilian purchase in Israel? Wow, here in US long guns and shot guns are not the target of gun grabbers. Unless they look military (black) or have scary names (AR-15, AK-47) then our leftists want to confiscate and ban them.
    Pistols get more legislative attention here. In my state (yes each of the 50 states have different laws) I need first a firearm purchase ID and that allows me to apply for a handgun purchase permit which is good for one pistol. Currently the administrative wait for all the paperwork and background checks can be 6 months. It varies from town to town. Our local police departments are tasked with the paperwork before you ever get to a gun shop then the state police do a final instant background check over the phone at the point of purchase. Currently the instant check is so backlogged that it is taking 2 weeks, so much for instant!
    We can only buy one handgun per month (in my state) with no lifetime limit. No limits for long guns.
    In one neighboring state, its citizens can walk into a gun shop and by any firearm so long as they pass the federal instant background check. You just need a good picture ID (driver’s license, passport and etc) Full auto and suppressor still have the federal laws and take forever but they can possess them eventually.
    Because I live in my state I can not go over the boarder into the less restrictive state and buy firearms under that state’s laws. I have to fully abide by my state’s laws (gun dealers know all this so there is never any funny business) and it is a federal law that no handguns can be purchased outside your state of residence. They have to be shipped to a dealer in your home state and transferred there.

    • Saratoga

      Sounds like you live in New Jersey. Thankfully, I live in one neighboring state. ; )

    • http://twitter.com/kalliste23 John Pate (@kalliste23)

      @Chris Hauser you are incorrect about sound moderators and the UK. Air gun moderators are not regulated but all firearm moderators require a firearms certificate.

  • General Lee

    So many Israelis here, why isn’t anyone pointing the obvious?

    Israel could never have “guns for all” laws because every fifth Israeli is an Arab. If everyone’s able to get a gun, we’ll soon find ourselves arming a small Arab army inside us.
    The thing is, we recognize Arabs as equal to us so we can’t arm the Jews only – it’s unfair – so we have strict laws (you were referring to) but on the ground we get rifles/guns to protect home/settlement/town that belong to the settlement/town’s guard… It’s not as easy as it’s in America because if tomorrow morning seven Arab armies attack us again, we can’t allow our Arab citizens to turn on us with their legal guns. That’s suicide for us Jews.

    Now if you open a map of Israel, except for Tel Aviv we are all living on the border. the north has Arab majority and the south is under rocket fire, not to mention the settlers on a daily fight for survival. While the unarmed fellas in Tel Aviv are clubbing all night long, the rest of us is standing guard, making first contact with the terrorists. GUN LOVERS ARE IN TEL AVIV AS MANY AS THEY ARE IN NEW YORK.

    About the 1 gun for life – my friends and family switch their personal gun from time to time (licensed) so I’m not sure about that…

    Every Israeli, and some Arabs, fired a gun, most of us slept in our beds with our M16 (now Tavor) for 2-3 years, most of us are reservists and get to hold a gun for 40 days a year so we are gun owners, whether we want to be or not.

    • Chris Hauser

      Never thought of that. You have a potential enemy within. Makes sense.

  • Tanstaafl2

    It does not surprise me that long guns are almost impossible to get in Israel. I remember reading a newspaper announcement a few years ago that Israel was discontinuing its (already severely limited) hunting opportunities. If the only “legitimate” civilian use for guns is self defense, I can see the logic in only allowing handguns (not saying a AGREE with that logic – just that I can see it).

    As for the traditional Jewish antipathy towards individual civilians owning guns, I once had a pro-gun American Rabbi explain it to me. It’s an interesting story, but one that’s too long to go into here.

  • Kamola

    It’s very interesting to read about laws in different countries, so I’ll ad my 2 cents.
    I’m from Poland but I live in Ireland for 7 years now. I just recently bought a double barrel over-and-under shotgun. You need to have a good reason to own a gun (it’s enough join a sport-shooting or hunting club).Then you buy a gun, leave it at the store and file an application for that particular gun(serial numbers needed). I also had to provide papers from Poland saying that I wasn’t prosecuted for any crimes there. After 2-3 month you receive your permit with your guns serial number on it by post and you can go to the shop and take your gun home- but only if you installed a gun safe before. You have to repeat procedure for every gun
    ALL handguns are totally BANNED(even olympic sport guns) as are all bull-pups and all weapons that “look similar to military arms”. So you’re pretty much limited to hunting style rifles/shotguns without pistol grips etc.
    You can own a suppressor if you have a good reason for it (eg you hunt rabbits near cow-pastures so you need it in order not to scare away the cows).

  • Kamola

    Now in Poland it’s a bit harder to get a permit than in Ireland- you need to be a member of a club, get a shooters card(like a driving licence for a gun, it says you know how to operate firearms), and pass medical/psychological tests, but after that you can buy any kind of gun as long as it’s a semi-auto.
    It’s very hard to get a CCW permit (you need to prove that you are considerably more likely to be under attack than a normal citizen-eg. you’re a politician or own a currency exchange bureau)

    • Kamola

      an you get a set amount of “slots” on your licence-each oner for one firearm. You can apply for 10 but then someone decides that you get only 8-for no apparent reason. But when you fill all your slots with guns you can apply for more-and usually get it.

  • Brandon

    They are getting the whole thing with soldiers keeping their weapons on them at all times.. but this restriction on civillian ownership will prove to be a handicap to their national defense (sooner than later).

    Someday these laws should change and for their own safety, I hope it’s soon. Great Job MAC!

  • Andrew

    I believe Israel also has a lifetime limit on ammo. If I remember correctly you are only able to keep 50 rounds. When you go to the range you buy ammo from them. So your home ammo stays at home. And range ammo stays at the range.

    While the number of permit holders may be low, from my experience, the number of guns on the street is high. I ran into armed soldiers everywhere I went. The gun do restrict a person’s ability to protect their family within the home, that I won’t argue. I have never been anywhere else in my life where I felt more safe in public, than in Israel. I felt like I was never more than a few feet away from someone well trained and in possession of a gun.

    Another thing I noticed, and I may be wrong on this part. I never saw a gun free zone. If you are active duty, or have a gun permit, you can bring it anywhere.

    • JasonB EMT

      Feeling safe in public is something a lot of people try not to think about, but while going to school (Utah allows us to carry at all schools w\ a permit) I never felt safer than when I was taking classes at the police academy building.

      All of the teachers were carrying either open (with their badge displayed) or concealed. At least half of the students were also carrying.

      Tactical officers were there a lot of the time, either teaching classes with their gear nearby in a wheeled case (M4 SBR, w\an eotech/agog & loaded up interceptor armor) or they were around the range\shoot house in between training sessions all geared up.

      It was a pretty awesome environment, & I got to meet tons of law enforcement & military veterans. You could not find a safer place.

  • Howard Hochman

    It isn’t any wonder that there are so many Jews living on the outskirts that have been killed by palestinian punks! I live in the US, in a small town, with a great police force, but I don’t depend on the police to protect my family. The police are available to write reports, after the crime, and can’t be everywhere when a crime is being committed.
    I carry concealed weapons and have many pistols and shotguns at my disposal; have served 8 years in the US military and have taken civilian weapons training classes. Getting a gun permit in the US is relatively simple, but should come with the requirement that the recipient of the permit must complete several classes to be qualified for the permit. Doesn’t happen in all states.

  • Eneko

    I guess some countries has their gun control to try to avoid their political stability problems.

    In Spain, we have strict gun control to avoid terrorism and a social uprisings. The last time I checked, terrorist still do what they want and people are challenging those in power without weapons.

    Therefore, it seems reasonable that in Israel, to avoid arming an inside the border arab army, they have strict gun control. Don’t know if that is working out well thought.

  • http://gravatar.com/tierlieb Tierlieb

    Does that “one gun per lifetime” license at least include a open/concealed carry permit? Or is it one of the countries that recognize the need for self-defense while prohibiting citizens to have the gun with them when they need it?

  • http://gravatar.com/acsial Adam

    “In the United States I’ve found there is a general misunderstanding of Israeli gun laws.”

    There is also a lot of misunderstanding, re. everything about Israel, which can be largely blamed on relentless Evangelical and ADL propaganda. The Israeli legal and political culture is nothing like that of the Anglo-American world. Rather, it derives from 20th Century European corporatism, much like Israel’s sort of ally, Turkey. Israel actually is a ‘police state,’ in the neutral sense of that term, and not a pluralistic, individual rights-centred society like Canada, or the U.S. Zionism and Kemalism are paternalistic, statist ideologies that resemble the political system of Singapore more than U.S. style democracy. This is not to say that Israel is a bad country–far from it. Israel, like Turkey, has clean elections, universal suffrage, and good religious freedom (e.g., the Baha’i and Druze communities in Israel). Compared to, say, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, Israel and Turkey are pretty decent places to live. And, like Turkey, Israel is a pretty good ally of the West, with a few exceptions (USS Liberty attack, spying on the U.S., falsifying Canadian passports).

    But, as in Turkey, full Israeli citizenship requires being a member of the dominant ethnic group. In our part of the world, a citizen is a citizen, PERIOD, with no qualifications. In Canada and America, we have, for example, Jewish and Muslim mayors of major cities (e.g., Calgary and New York); you would NEVER have a Christian mayor of an Israeli or Turkish town. There is also arbitrary arrest and detention, police torture, and an often savagely violent and vindictive state security apparatus (things like forced eviction and the destruction of homes as collective punishment). Censorship of the media and discourse exists, and there are extremely broad powers of arrest under treason laws. There is a low-intensity ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population (including Christians, which is something Evangelical pro-Israel Christians in the U.S. like to ignore), and simmering conflicts between the majority secular, mostly Ashkenazi population and groups like the Beta Israelis and the Haredis, which has exploded into violence. The Israeli state does not trust its citizens with guns, any more than it trusts them with other rights and freedoms.

    • Sean

      OK Adam. Couple things that you missed the boat with.
      1) Turkey – I am afraid to break it to you Adam that Turkey, under the last 10 years with Edrogan, has imprisoned many dissident’s and journalists who are against his Islamic indoctrination and takeover of Turkey’s establishment. He has instituted many rules that have used Islamist beliefs as a gateway to admission to universities and governmental jobs. He has adopted Sharia laws which he wants to expand to all of Turkish society. Turkey is no longer free and is a poor friend of the US.
      2) Israel – is a pluralistic society. You do not have to be a Jew to climb the ladder. In some jobs where there is security sensitivity there is preference of former IDF personnel. But hey, what do you expect from a country that has a large, potentially dangerous 5th column that frequently voices violent and treasonous opposition to the State that they live in. There are many Christian and Muslim Arabs in the government and many Druze Arabs in the military and police force in leadership positions. Is there tension between Jews in regards to religious observance, races and different religions. Of course, since Israel faces an existential threat everyday from its Arab neighbors and many Muslims in Israel, you will find life different with regards to individual freedoms. America has no idea of that with the Patriot laws not evening coming close to dealing with that threat although some would argue that we are already there.

      Now regarding the Ethnic cleansing shit! you are totally out to lunch or just have a hate streak in you. Jews have every right to the land they live on including Biblical, historical and international legal rights to non-private land in the West bank. Period. They have every right to expand on that land. No Arabs are being moved out except when they left on their own accord following each one of their losses when they started THEIR WARS OF Attempting to ANNIHILATE Jews!

  • ghostwheel

    On the other hand if you are in the Army, you can take your weapon traveling home and back. At least that is how it was when I was there 30 years ago. Our Tourist bus was driving down the road and there was a soldier hitching a ride with a machine gun slung over his shoulder. The bus driver stopped to pick him up on our tour bus. He got on said thanks, he was walking back to the base, took a seat. This was not in town but on a lonely road.

  • ghostwheel

    Teacher with guns?
    That is one way to make sure kids do their homework! :P

  • rma

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJS9DDe6K-o

    i’m so disappointed after seeing this man :(

    i hope iwi can save the bad performance of the tavor in this video

  • john_lan

    agree with adam. in my country,
    (Southeast Asia) has a weapon without a permit is a big mistake. the death penalty or life imprisonment and 20 strokes of the cane. if there is any collector or fan only weapon gun store 20 years old. weapons business is too small because the laws are too strict. I was a fan of guns as a hobby and is very interested Uzi and Tavor. but until now I still can not have it

  • bill

    I won’t Make Aliyah for this reason alone!

    • RGL

      Me too.

  • Reef Blastbody

    In New Zealand, you can own some types of military style firearms, but not all. The permitting process isn’t quite as bad as Israel’s or the UK’s, but suppressors are completely unregulated. Many municipalities require them, in fact, precisely for noise abatement. Prices on guns/ammo are about 2X of prices here in the US.